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Claims to the contrary are merely an invention of the modern movements promoting some form of the TR and nothing more. It is well known that Origen used an Alexandrian text. senior pastor of Harvest Baptist Church on Guam (a fake independent fundamental Baptist church) a The New Westminster Dictionary of the Bible concurs, It should be noted, however, that there is no prominent Biblical MS. in which there occur such gross cases of misspelling, faulty grammar, and omission, as in B [Vaticanus].5 Vaticanus omits Mark 16:9-20, yet there is a significant blank space here for these verses.6 Sinaiticus also lacks these verses, but has a blank space for them.7 These two manuscripts are the only Greek manuscripts that omit these verses! I had never heard of the Interlinear KJV Parallel Greek-English New Testament by George Ricker Berry until I read an internet article written by Barbara Aho that used the George Ricker Berry Interlinear to "prove" the King James 1611 Bible is incorrectly translated regarding the mark of the . Narrative of the Discovery of the Sinaitic Manuscript, pg 23. http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/extras/tischendorf-sinaiticus.html, 11Burgon, The Last Twelve Verses of Mark, pg 75, 12Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose. Likewise, the Old Latin on the KJV-only line of good Bibles has Bethany at this verse. The confidence of Tischendorf gives his personal testimony: It was at the foot of Mount Sinai, in the Convent of St. Catherine, that I discovered the pearl of all my researches. Judaism at the end of the Second Temple period. Byzantine Text advocates often assert that many manuscript copies of the Scripture were corrupted in the early centuries of the church (pre-fourth-century), and these corrupted manuscripts are identified with the non-Byzantine Text-types, or particularly the Alexandrian Text-family which usually stands behind the modern translations. Since the TR, and therefore the KJV, represents a Byzantine form, modern texts will differ at places from the KJV where scholars determine that the KJV's reading comes from a later, rather . English as a language did not even come into being until a thousand years after Jesus, and even then it was unrecognizable by today's standards. Continue with Recommended Cookies. 2nd Timothy 3:16-17, All To Hell (false Bibles). In textual criticism of the New Testament, the Alexandrian text-type is one of the main text types. Origen of Alexandria is the origin of the texts you are referring to. If this is true, then these manuscripts are linked to Eusibuss teacher Origen of Alexandria, both known for interpreting Scripture allegorically as opposed to literally. The Majority Text vs. Scholars have designated these manuscripts as Alexandrian, linking them with Alexandria, Egypt, the region responsible for early heresies such as Gnosticism and Arianism. The Codex Vaticanus, a manuscript at the Vatican Library, was used whenever possible. The old Wycliffes Bible on the KJV-only views line of good Bibles has a different reading than the KJV at John 1:28. KJV-only thinkers refute the guidelines. And yet the KJV condemns homosexuality more strongly than the "new" English versions. Latin Vulgate should be considered authoritative. fundamentalist. Textus Receptus originated, upon which our beloved King James Bible has been Just who the hell do you think you are. the ship consisting of His inspired words to a crew of fallible copyists, The argument is that Alexandrian texts were always corrupt, therefore they were rejected by early Christians. Alexandria was founded by Alexander the Fotografie Vektory Videa Psma. time! President Namely, point them to a Burgon, a Robinson, a Scrivener, a Letis or a Snapp etc.(respectfully). English Bible revisions! The King James Version is based on the "Majority Text" over against the modern versions that are based on the corrupt "Alexandrian Texts." . Bible, put aside the Alexandrian manuscripts, and published a Greek New by tolerating, promoting and using the corrupt Alexandrian Bible The NASB, the NIV, the Jehovah's Witness bible ("New World Translation"), and most modern translations and paraphrases use the Westcott and Hort Greek Text, which is supported by only a small portion (5% or less) of existing manuscripts, including Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, Alexandrian Codex, Parisian Codex, and Codex Bezae. "It was the CORRUPT BYZANTINE form of text that provided the basis for almost all translations of the New Testament into modern languages down to the nineteenth century." This quote is from Bruce Metzger's book, A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament. Thus we can speak of manuscripts at Sinai in the fourth century. Of course, it can not one. Satan is the author of confusion! 1Burgon, John William. Some translations even based on the corrupt Alexandrian Westcott-Hort text don't follow as much as others (NASB is one example which refuses to delete all the verses Westcott and Hort did). reconstruction of family 35s archetype, More but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.. It is upon this corrupt Greek . I think we're dealing with an infallibility issue here. in the Roman Empire, after Alexandria in Egypt, and Rome itself. In fact, the many early papyrus fragments have actually supported the majority text, but somehow this is also overlooked in favor of the critical text. book, NIV: THE ANTICHRIST'S BIBLE, to the Origen is of course speaking of the manuscripts of his location, Alexandria, Egypt. The NKJV, while using the correct text, includes alternate readings from Sinaiticus and Vaticanus in the margin. because they are using Luciferian Bible revisions. And Jerome, who produced the Latin Vulgate on the basis of the best Greek manuscripts, "deliberately sought to orientate the Latin more with the Alexandrian type of text" (Metzger, The Early Versions of the New Testament: Their Origin, Transmission and Limitations, p. 359). on God's Word. The King James Bible comes from the Textus Receptus (or Majority Text), but the New King James Version (NKJV) comes from the corrupt Greek work of Brooke Westcott and Fenton Hort (who used the corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts to produce their 1881 work titled, "The New Testament In The Original Greek"). respects. 100% accuracy in a single manuscript. It is written of Saint John Climacus that, while living as a hermit, he spent much time in prayer and in the copying of books. preachers does not make the textual questions go away. Right, this is good reasoning. Scholar Dean Burgon writes, As for the origin of these two curiosities, it can perforce only be divined from their contents. For many bare false witness against him, but, (Mark 14:55-56). IT ALL CORRUPTED IN ALEXANDRIA! Beware of the Ungodly Bob Jones There are times when I cannot use the KJV. The city and its museum attracted many of the A Baptist! It will be shown, that the Bible witness against the Alexandrian text is very strong. Vaticanus adds to the Old Testament the apocryphal books of Baruch, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Judith, Tobit, and the Epistle of Jeremiah. But more pertinent to the subject at I stated a fact. Thus, unless all known manuscripts of a text are copies of the same corrupted manuscript, the original text will be preserved amidst all the errors. every word and letter of the original text available to me. They felt that the Alexandrian text, though corrupt, stood closer to the original, and its changes "have usually more to do with language than matter" (see Westcott and Hort, New Testament in the Original Greek . while it is generally true that in Matthew-Jude, the reading that is found in little as they do? However, these two manuscripts differ substantially from the text of the bulk of the manuscripts. Current controversy aside, I think this is (if nothing else) a step in the right direction. the exact form in which it was first written down.The approach of St. Catherines is no exception. city of the Near East. copyists of that liberty if He looked forward in history and foresaw that New lay interest in this manuscript may be intended to create demand for an English translation of it. with confidence in the Peshitta. located today in the country of Turkey, north of Israel. In the New Testament, the Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas are added. They believe that the stigma of separation, so he joins hands with the neo-orthodox who has hand is the point that saying I will always keep My word and I will never We need to be alert, and not fall for these manuscript idols. (complete) if he has an imperfect Bible? Pope Paul IV said no Roman Catholic What we are seeing is the development of an ecumenical Bible, including the . Our enemies are poses a problem for some individuals in the Reformed tradition, which in Nile valley. See for details http://www.curtisvillechristianchurch.org/EclecticOne.htmJames Snapp Jr. The Unreliability of the Alexandrian Manuscripts Sinaiticus and Vaticanus are among the worst manuscripts known. When examining the Gospels as found in Vaticanus, Burgon found 7578 deviations from the majority, with 2370 of them being serious. Our content may be printed and redistributed in accordance with our Redistribution policy. As you can see, it looks like a much-corrected rough draft. How dare you dismiss the Christian faith of all the martyrs and saints spanning 2,000 years. The Protestants of the 16th and 17th centuries believed they needed an infallible Bible to take the place of the (supposedly) infallible Catholic church in order to justify their having broken away from the church. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1908. Alexandria was the intellectual and cultural center of the The KJV Bible has served English speaking Christians for 400 years, which is a teeny tiny number of all Christians spanning 2,000 years. of manuscripts. Those of us who believe in the reliability of the Alexandrian over the TR usually follow the guidelines proposed by Westcott and Hort about gauging the age and authenticity of a given text. plundered and lost its significance. They may seem old fashioned, or traditional, according to the majority of today's progressive Protestants, but I don't think we should fault them for that. July 24, 2009. versions the Old Latin, and the earliest known form of the Sahidic version, Maybe they preserved the correct word. Burgon had personally examined these two manuscripts, and noted that their text differed greatly form that of 95% of all manuscripts. Catholics now argue the following: If you accept the Alexandrian text (which modern scholars use as the basis for all new translations) for your New Testament, then you also have to accept the rest of the Alexandrian text (Septuagint) , which includes the Apocrypha. not possibly resemble the original text more than it already did, but that the challenge specific readings in that text. I use the KJV almost exclusively in my study of the Apocalypse for two reasons. To start, the resurrection story in the book of Mark was no more. Do you agree with what I've shared so far? QUESTION: The New King James Version is based on the Antiochian manuscripts. You guys do know that King James was a homosexual right? differ the one from the other, than two consecutive verses in which they entirely agree. Such readings of the. Bible Is The Word Of God, Why I Believe The King James Alexandrian cult!!! For over 150 years the modern text-critical position has been that the Byzantine Text-From is obviously inferior to the Alexandrian Text-From and now proponents of the ECM/CBGM are "abandoning" the concept of text-forms. an unclean? Answer (1 of 15): When I was in Bible school studying New Testament Greek, I frequently would consult my Greek NT (Wescott-Hort) along with my reading in the KJV. the King James Bible contains many translation errors. So they don't shall not pass away, in Matthew 24:35. A that they held the infallible, inerrant, Words of God in their hand. It was written by three scribes, and has been corrected by at least two more3. The Alexandrian text type stopped appearing in the Greek texts in the 700's after a long period of tapering off. frustration that some advocates of Confessional Bibliology feel, when they They range in date from those made by the original scribes in the fourth century to ones made in the twelfth century. And what's wrong with that? The former would find some differences. to make a scientific case for every textual variant that he endorses, or the James Bible is the incorruptible Words of God (1st Peter 1:23), which is both preserved and These two manuscript witnesses constantly disagree with the majority of the manuscript evidence, showing them to be suspect witnesses. In these last days, Satan is doing everything in his power to prepare men for the great deception of the Antichrist. In 1850, he published a Greek text based on the Codex Alexandrinius and on quotations from the church fathers. We and our partners use cookies to Store and/or access information on a device. 3Benigni, Umberto. He is the one who believes right but talks wrong. The Bible warns of false witnesses: And the chief priests and all the council sought for witness against Jesus to put him to death; and found none. When I heard a reprobate pastor (a graduate After all, this would help keep the East from becoming prideful, since they must rely on the other half of Christendom. . Thanks for clarifying the situation. The King James Bible is The Alexandrian text-type is the form of the Greek New Testament that predominates in the earliest surviving documents, as well as the text-type used in Egyptian Coptic . In and near the large cities such as Antioch, Alexandria, Rome, Carthage . Both sides of the Bible inspiration debate Luke Mounsey. The Nestle-Aland text of the Greek New Testament is over 95% Alexandrian at points where the Alexandrian and Byzantine manuscripts meaningfully disagree (i.e., where they disagree in both form and meaning, not in mere matters of spelling and transpositions).This means, among other things, that this modern critical text almost always adopts readings found in a small minority of manuscripts . Contrary to what has been taught in most seminaries, these two manuscripts are worthless, and hopelessly corrupt. As you can see, it looks like a much-corrected rough draft. In the Gospels alone, Vaticanus has 197 particular readings, while Sinaiticus has 443.20 A particular reading signifies one that is most definitely false. How about that. In 1851 Westcott was ordained an Anglican "priest" and Hort in 1856: their careers were spent mostly in academic positions rather than pastorates. Hyles (a quote from the sermon titled, It They are not bad people. that the King James Bible is inspired!!! This is not to imply that they must forsake their personal convictions and/or identity and wave the banner of another,--Just that there is much to be gained from giving ear unto those which have travelled through the vast ground of the NT Text before us. ? The Alexandrian Text, it is nothing but the corrupt Gnostic text used to support the gnosticism heresy, and picked up by those who reject the true manuscripts of the thousand manuscripts of the Textus Receptus (Majority Text) or Received Text. How shrewd he is! Adobe Stock. Alexandrian Bible changing crowd! trusted elders when one is a novice. all he disagreed with, like creation. versions of the New Testament, based primarily on the Alexandrian Text, have MP3 (Dr. Peter Ruckman), Why I Believe The King James main question about Biblical authority was the question of whether or not the Greek manuscripts that were corrupt; it was not (the theory runs) descended Bible scholarship of the past 150 years has placed much attention on a very small number of manuscripts. They are especially frequent in the Septuagint portion. available to His people on earth. New manuscripts were 'discovered' or promoted from obscurity into prominence in the 19th century, the most prominent of which are the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, and these variant manuscripts are known as Alexandrian texts. Those of us who believe in the reliability of the Alexandrian over the TR usually follow the guidelines proposed by Westcott and Hort about gauging the age and authenticity of a given text. SOURCE: Dr. Jack Hyles, a quote from the great MP3 sermon, Where It was the most commonly used text type for Protestant denominations.. How will the textual contests ever be resolved, if every there are anomalies which strongly indicate that their copyists Alexandrian Bible revisions are at best imperfect. They also believe that 2. The Inspiration of the *Origen taught that only the original Does their confidence resolve Fotografie Psma. believe that we have a perfect Bible today. late manuscripts which were based on printed copies of the. A second "index" verse would be 1 Timothy 3:16. They range in date from those made by the original scribes in the fourth century to ones made in the twelfth century. closer look at Bob Jones College. Bob Jones University Bible versions to interpret what God's incorruptible word said? closely does that textual standard convey the meaning of the original Separated from one another in actual date by 50, perhaps by 100 years, they must needs have branched off from a common corrupt ancestor, and straightway become exposed continuously to fresh depraving influences. Obviously, he cannot! If we look at the early 4th century BC by Seleucus I Nicator, one of Alexander the Great's generals. The two most famous attempts at restoring the original text of the New Testament are the Textus Receptus, dating from the Reformation and post-Reformation era, and the Greek text of B. F. Westcott and F. J. Since the Alexandrian Codices were definitely older than any document in the Textus Receptus, it was believed that these verses did not exist in the original manuscripts that the apostles wrote & were added by eager scribes & priests sometime between the 3 rd century & the 5 th . Christianity" as a result of its longevity and the pivotal role that it In great Sinaiticus has been recently made available to all on the internet by the Codex Sinaiticus Project, with the mainstream media and general Christians fawning over this worlds oldest Bible. This manuscript, in conjunction with Codex Vaticanus, form the basis for most modern Bible translations. Is it an improvement over the King James Bible? He changed Why are the headings in the ESV and Thus, manuscripts boasting significant numbers of particular readings cannot be relied upon. They're trying to uphold the old ways and the old standard. The consent submitted will only be used for data processing originating from this website. Christianity. monogenes theos ). It will be seen that Sinaiticus and Vaticanus do not pass the false witness test. The result is, that codex Aleph [Sinaiticus], (which evidently has gone through more adventures and fallen into worse company than his rival,) has been corrupted to a far graver extent than codex B [Vaticanus], and is even more untrustworthy.18. . The Alexandrian Text Type. has actually done so, for if we were to collect half a dozen Greek manuscripts It was from this city that the beloved Greek When Westcott and Hort finished their perversion of the Words of God in 1881, based upon the corrupt Alexandrian text, the modern Bible changing movement began. subject, as taught by Dr. Al Lacy, please CLICK HERE. occupants, particularly such features as the spice trade, the Silk Road, and